Update on the 5.0

"Denver Is Stuck In The 90s" (denver80222)
07/21/2016 at 11:12 • Filed to: None

One of the head bolts are very stripped so instead of rebuilding the 200,000 mile junkyard 5.0 and M5R2, risking cracking the block trying the get the head bolts out; I’m gonna save up and buy a rebuilt 93 Mustang HO 5.0 off eBay and rebuild the junkyard M5R2. Rebuilt Fox Body HOs go for about $2,500-$3,000 on ebay

DISCUSSION (36)

crowmolly > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:16

Huh?

The bolts are stuck or the threads stripped out?

If the threads are shot, why not just helicoil?

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > crowmolly
07/21/2016 at 11:16

They are 14mm inset allen bolts and the bolt head is stripped. Also helicoiling head bolts in an Iron block is stupid

Captain of the Enterprise > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:20

He was just trying to help out

EDIT: please disregard my comment I realized it could be shit stirring

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Captain of the Enterprise
07/21/2016 at 11:21

I know I didnt mean to get snippy. Not having my truck is starting to get to me

Captain of the Enterprise > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:23

I understand, I probably shouldn't have put that response up anyway because it could continue the thing, sorry about that

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:23

I know that feel... yours is way worse though. I’d be punching people at random by now

Slant6 > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:25

Why not just buy a Mustang and call it a day?

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
07/21/2016 at 11:25

Yeahhhhhhhhhhh

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Slant6
07/21/2016 at 11:27

Because small truck big engine>Mustang.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Slant6
07/21/2016 at 11:28

Because thats not what I wanna do also what smallbear said

Slant6 > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:30

If you don’t mind driving the Honda indefinitely.

It’s what you wanna do, and that’s understandable, but at this point you’re just spending money that could buy a decent already put together car and get yourself out of the Honda.

Party-vi > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:33

Kinja'd!!!

What Ford V8 engine came with allen bolt head bolts? Do you mean studs? Also what Ford engine came with 14mm studs? Do you mean 7/16 or 9/16? Also helicoils are not recommended for use on aluminum blocks, but it is definitely not stupid to use them on an iron block. Timeserts would be a better alternative. Way to blow off a good suggestion by someone who has probably built more engines than you.

Anyway, you could drill the stud out, or use the hot wax method and mechanically remove it, or weld another bolt to it and extract it. Take it to a machine shop and have them drill it out while they bore and hone the cylinders - you need to do that anyway or you’re going to have a lot of issues.

If you’re stuck on getting rid of this block for a rebuilt one, keep it and use it for the core charge on your new engine. There is probably a $500+ core charge.

Party-vi > Captain of the Enterprise
07/21/2016 at 11:34

Not shit stirring. Solid comment.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Slant6
07/21/2016 at 11:36

As Much as I hate the odyssey Id regret buying something else just so I can stop driving a minivan.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Party-vi
07/21/2016 at 11:40

whats the hot wax method? and yeah theyre studs

Slant6 > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:40

You’re also saving money, time, and mental health by buying something else.

You could easily buy a nice 4.0 2000+ Ranger with what you’ll put into this. That’s even if you still want a Ranger.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Slant6
07/21/2016 at 11:48

I fail to see how buying something else is saving money compared to driving a free vehicle indefinitely while the Ranger is set up the way he wants it.

Party-vi > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:53

I’m guessing the allen socket on the top of the stud is stripped out. If that’s the case, and you have enough stud left to grab on to, heat the stud with a propane torch, and then use a paraffin wax (candle wax) and hold the wax onto the hot (hot, not blazing hot, just hot enough to melt wax on contact) threads. The heat will draw the wax into the threads and after a few minutes should allow you to use a pair of locking vice grips onto the exposed threads and carefully turn the stud out from the block.

Your other option is to heat the fuck out of the stud until it’s white hot, let it cool for about an hour, and then use a stud extractor on it. Or, cut the threaded portion of the stud off, pull the head off over the now cut shaft, and extract it using one of the means above. Allen stud extractors below.

Kinja'd!!!

crowmolly > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 11:53

Also helicoiling head bolts in an Iron block is stupid

Hey, it’s your time and money. Just saying it might be cheaper and easier to drag to a machine shop and have them pull the heads and insert the thread insert for you. You will be there anyway to tank/bore anyway I presume?

A stripped head bolt hole is nowhere near a death sentence in my humble opinion. If you don’t like Helicoils a Timesert is viable (better) option too. Using a thread insert in head bolt holes is more common than you may think.

Slant6 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
07/21/2016 at 12:00

Because he’s going to spend way more than $2500 to get this done.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Slant6
07/21/2016 at 12:10

You can ask the $1 Jake about cheap Mustangs.

And, in the end, he’d have the vehicle he doesn’t want and a lack of funds to get the one he does.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 12:22

4.9*

TheLOUDMUSIC- Put it in H! > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 12:24

Have you considered buying an F150 for half the price and driving it around until you have everything ready to do the swap?

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/21/2016 at 12:25

its like a 298ci block if I remember correctly, so more like a 4.98675497 liter

TheLOUDMUSIC- Put it in H! > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 12:28

https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/5689747732…

Here’s a solid candidate. Even has the correct trans.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 12:28

So let me get this right...

$3000 for rebuilt motor that you have no idea how well it was rebuilt.

Let’s say $500 to rebuild the transmission.

There’s what you paid for the truck.

Then there’s probably gonna be $500-1000 worth of electronic bullshit to sort out since you’ll have to put together your own electronics system basically.

$500 or so dollars for motor mounts, stronger front springs, probably a new oil pan to clear the crossmember.

$500-1000 set aside for random issues.

At this point the truck would probably run and you’re at least $5000 dumped into a $3500 1993 Ford.

Please, just buy a $500 junkyard 4.0 and save this project for when you have something else to drive that you aren’t borrowing

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 12:30

That would still be a 4.9 then. The 302 is the 4.9 marketed as a 5.0.

Slant6 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
07/21/2016 at 12:30

Look at this in the context of all his life posts.

He doesn’t need to get a Mustang, any car really. A mustang is just close to what it his he’s trying to achieve. And Jake’s mustang wouldn’t have been as much as a problem if he wasn’t spread so thin for resources with 4 other cars.

He can get a car he wants, that’s reliable, cheap and desirable for well under $2000.

He’s still young, there is a time for this in his life, but right now just getting his own place, working all the time, and being a student the other part of the time it’s extremely hard to justify such an expense.

And at the end of the day if he goes through with this he’s going to have a small truck that only is better that the mustang in usefulness, and inferior in just about every other way.

He needs some voice of reason.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > TheLOUDMUSIC- Put it in H!
07/21/2016 at 12:37

fuck that would be a perfect donor.... if it was a 95 or earlier. OBD II and airbags would make getting the ECU to work difficult

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Slant6
07/21/2016 at 13:10

No, a Mustang isn’t close to what he’s trying to acheive. A Mustang isn’t a small fast truck (Cue jokes about the live rear axle). As fasr as Jake goes, I’d say while he’d be better off one way he’d be far worse off in another. Only car is horribly unreliable etc etc. Also don’t forget at the time of purchase there was only one other car, the Miata.

You seem to miss the point. He wants his truck. He can satisfy all your criteria except what he wants.

You are correct here. However I’d say for what it’s worth, this is something he wants to make happen, and it will happen sooner or later. It’s much less of an expense to do it now, while he’s halfway there and has alternate transport that isn’t costing him anything but gas money, than it would to abandon everything and start over later. Here’s where the balance has to come in. If he’s dead set on the swap sooner or later (seems like he is) I say bite the bullet and do it now. If he would abandon the project if he could get into something nicer, then yes I say take your advice.

This point is difficult... Let me put it this way. My truck, as a truck, is not anything special. It’s small, doesn’t ride great, the interior squeaks badly, the seats have less bolstering than a church pew. But I fell completely in love with it the first time I drove it, and while it has many features that bug me, I enjoy it very much, and no vehicle I’ve driven since has the same magic for me. What I’m saying is, I can’t make a judgement on it and neither can you. We can, however, both suggest that he explore other options just to see what’s out there to see if anything strikes his fancy.

Undoubtedly. We all do. The voice of reason says buy a Corolla. I say it’s wrong.

Rykilla303 > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/21/2016 at 13:28

1. plunge cut head bolt with abrasive wheel like a pie, chisel off the pieces.

2. remove head

3. with head out of the way, weld a nut to head bolt, turn out with wrench

4. beer

Slant6 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
07/24/2016 at 09:48

Hate to say I told you so but...

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/so-shit-has-hi…

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Slant6
07/24/2016 at 20:14

There’s nothing “I told you so” about it. Life just happened to throw a wrench in the works and (probably) remove the options that were possible before.

Slant6 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
07/24/2016 at 20:21

Things were heading this direction for a while.

It looks like no options from before.

Now what I said is that he should cut his losses and get some new reliable wheels, which is what he’s doing. So not I told you so, more the idea I had ended up being what he did even though I had no direct part in the end result.

Aside from all of this how do you think the 4.0 died? Like I’m pretty sure he didn’t neglect it or abuse it, but isn’t the 4.0 supposed to be reliable? Like not loose compression after 140k miles?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Slant6
07/24/2016 at 20:33

Yeah, I wasn’t really reading much into what got posted, but fair enough.

And now cutting losses is probably the best thing as he no longer has free wheels while the swap was underway.

I doubt he abused it, but it’s possible the previous owner did. Rings gone bad... Can’t that come from bad lubrication? Such as could happen by starting up cold and immediately thrashing it without giving the oil time to reach the top end?

Slant6 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
07/24/2016 at 20:39

He did like burnouts, which if he did it from cold could have been what killed it. But still, I’m considering selling my Ranger.

I have a 3.0, and 165k, but I have a few other reasons not to trust high millage Fords.